I had heard the word “rhetoric”
before, but I never knew what it meant besides that it is related to literature.
Therefore, reading the information on Silva Rhetoricae has become a resource
for my personal definition of the word. According to Silva Rhetoricae, rhetoric
can be simply defined as “the study of effective speaking and writing. And the
art of persuasion.” However, the concept is much more complex than this short
definition because it consists of numerous parts. In this class, our goal is to
learn how rhetoric works and then how to apply it to our speaking and writing,
but this is easier said than done. After reading the extensive information on
the website, I found that their main argument lies in the comparison of content
and form, or the “what” and “how.” I agree with the idea that “how one says
something conveys meaning as much as what one says.” Although critics of
rhetoric have said that it is too concerned with the “how of language,” I
believe that effective rhetoric must include a balance of style and content. Content
is not the same without form and vice-versa. In expressing oneself, if one has
insightful ideas on a topic, but is not able to use correct grammar or lacks
organization, then the meaning loses its effectiveness. The same is true in the
reverse. Fantastic style without satisfactory content leads me to ask “so what?”
or “who cares?” like Graff says. The templates in They Say, I Say are useful for fulfilling the style portion of this
equation. Along with those, I can use my own ideas, the content, by inserting
them into the templates. Achieving this balance of “what” and “how” can be
challenging, but I think that the templates can make it easier. Another aspect
of my definition of rhetoric is using persuasive language to share ideas. When
having a discussion, the person who is able to state an opinion and clearly
support it is more likely to have the audience agree with him or her versus
someone who has a stance but no backing. In Fight Club we can use the
persuasive appeals of logos, pathos, and ethos to build better arguments. We
can analyze our audience and then decide the best approach to take, as in which
appeals to focus on. In summary, I believe that our personal definitions of the
word should adopt ideas from the website because they provide useful tips for
forming effective arguments.
The information from the website
that was helpful to me was, as I stated earlier, the discussion of content and
form. Now I understand that in my writing and speaking I should not focus too
heavily on one or the other. And, I can see that the way that I communicate and
what I communicate can be a powerful tool. I also thought that the history
behind rhetoric was interesting. The fact that these techniques were created so
long ago and are still being referenced today attests to their value. On the
other hand, the explanations were sometimes too technical which made them
difficult to understand. I realize that the author of the website created the
forest analogy to remind us to not “get lost” in the technical Latin and Greek
terms, so keeping that in mind helped me to gather the main ideas.
Burton, Gideon. Silva
Rhetoricae. Brigham Young University, n.d. Web. 02 Sept. 2015.
I agree that effective rhetoric needs to have a balance of content and presentation. The manner in which we convey our writing or conversational style has to have a rapport or else the argument will seem futile. In what ways could using They Say/ I Say as a tool to enhance debates in class?
ReplyDeleteThey Say, I Say could be used in class discussions because it points out different ways to respond in an argument. There is to agree, disagree, or do both at the same time.
DeleteI definitely agree about the importance of content and form. I had never really thought about it before, either. They are so dependent on each other, too. Do you think one is more important than the other?
ReplyDeleteI think content is more important than form. If the "what" you are writing about is uninteresting or confusing, then your argument is not effective. Communicating without really having anything to say is useless in my opinion.
DeleteI thought that you raised a good point in terms of content and form and how the way content is conveyed is just as important as the content itself.I also liked your insight on how we can use our persuasive appeals in Fight Club to develop our arguments. I suppose that this blog has more uses then I realized and every comment is a building block to better rhetoric writing.
ReplyDeleteI agree that the word rhetoric does not have one solid definition, but do not think of it as complex, but infinite. Within the worlds of rhetoric there are no walls, consider your speech limitless so to speak. There are rules within rhetoric and some of them reside within the five canons of rhetoric. You should mention the five canons and explain them. Two of the canons relate to your opinion on style and content. And although we should adopt ideas from the website, we should also make sure we have adapted a strong personal definition.
ReplyDeleteI couldn't agree more just like everyone else. you state great points that are hard to disagree with. The form and use of the word is very important. The website was very helpful but its also important to personalize the information we learned
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